Talk:Dvorak Legacy deck

Mechanics

Given that Dvorak is already a game of making new cards as you play, I feel like there need to be other ways to change the game. Adding lines to cards seems like a good option, perhaps from a predetermined list of abilities (e.g. as a reward for winning, Kevan selects two random boons. He gets "This Action can't target Kevan or Kevan's Things", and "If Kevan destroys this Thing, they may add it to their hand.", and may apply each to a card.).--ChippyYYZ (talk)

Since cards are all that there are in basic Dvorak, further mechanics would need to be introduced to support more legacy elements than just creating or altering cards. A simple enough addition would be Player cards. Each player tracks their personal stats on a non-thing card they keep in front of them, and they may gain abilities or penalties over the course of a campaign. (e.g. ChippyYYZ - Player | Base Hand Size: 5 | Wins: 1 | (+)You never have to randomly choose cards to discard. | (-) When you draw three or more cards at once, target opponent may draw a card.)--ChippyYYZ (talk)

Blank cards giving the holder unchecked power to make any card makes me uneasy. I think the basic rules do a good enough job of managing card creation (balance is enforced by any player being able to veto a new card). If we want to keep Blank cards as a game mechanic, we could say that newly created cards (that aren't vetoed) are not shuffled into the deck, but set aside. Any player can take one of these cards by trading a Blank card from their hand during their turn, perhaps with a 1 per turn limit.--ChippyYYZ (talk)

Lastly, some kind of built-in win condition(s) may be appropriate. Something general, like "The second time the deck is emptied, the player with the most non-token Things wins, and the player with the most cards in hand wins.", allowing more than just one player to earn a win reward (maybe even giving a double win to one player). Non-winning players should still be able to apply a minor reward, such as adding a line to a card.--ChippyYYZ (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Thinking more about the need for a win condition, I think of the Roman Politics deck, and of Actual board games Pandemic and Dominion (to use fairly well-known examples). In the Roman Politics deck, a lot of the cards offer you no immediate gameplay advantage beyond progress toward a goal (e.g. armies and campaigns), and many more offer a choice between utility and progress (e.g. The Emperor's Favor). Similarly, in Pandemic, players have to manage the balance between utility and actually winning by choosing whether to spend City cards to move around the map, or to save them until they can cash in 5 of one color to cure a disease. And I've talked before about how Dominion's Victory Point cards, while essential to victory, are dead weight in terms of gameplay.
Since the Infinite Dvorak deck has no set win condition to make progress towards, "progress" mostly means collecting as many cards as you can in hopes of finding one that wins. There's no trade between utility and progress, because each is the other. This means that the best play is generally just to make the best play, which minimizes strategy. As such, I feel that some win condition is necessary, something that requires players to weigh the points they could score against the opportunity cost of improving their position. Perhaps a win condition that grows somehow with each game, to give a feeling of progression.--ChippyYYZ (talk) 04:55, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Possible Win Conditions

The Ball

To win, players must score points. To score points, you must carry The Ball 10 meters (plus 1 per game?). You can discard a card on your turn (perhaps as an Action) to carry The Ball a number of meters equal to the card's cornervalue (this forces players to choose whether to play a card for a gameplay advantage or whether to discard it to try for points, and allows the cornervalue to function as an indication of the card's power level). When another player uses a card to take The Ball (provided you don't have blockers defending it), they gain control of The Ball. When a player scores, The Ball returns to the center of the table until a player takes it. The third or fourth or second time the deck empties (varies with number of players?), whoever has the most points wins (If there's a tie, the next point scored by anyone wins).
Getting the ball gives you momentum because your opponents now have to spend their effort blocking you or stealing the ball, whereas your effort goes toward winning the game. On the other hand, not having the ball gives you a chance to catch up because the player with the ball has to spend cards carrying it instead of actually playing them. The game has a definite end point, to keep it from going on and on.--ChippyYYZ (talk) 04:55, 15 October 2020 (UTC)